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Sunday, April 8, 2007

Town bans RV parking in residents' yards, driveways


Hardly a week passes in the USA that a community does not pass a law prohibiting RVs from being parked in residential neighborhoods along the curb, in driveways, or anywhere in sight of passersby. Antioch, Calif., is trying to clean up its image by cracking down on what it considers blight in residential neighborhoods. A law is now being enforced to ban boats, garbage cans and RVs anywhere on a resident's property where they can be seen from the street. Here's a TV news segment that sums up what is permitted and what is not permitted on a resident's property. What do you think? Please leave a comment.

52 comments:

  1. I think the picture speaks for itself. It's this type of slob that cause the problems for folks with otherwise neat, maintained yards that want to park a boat or RV.
    The ordinances should be aimed at asthetics, not objects.

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  2. If your rv is not a safety or health hazard, is well maintained and in your driveway on your property, I think it should be permitted. Eyesore of any kind should be corrected but I find it difficult to think an expensive rv parked in a driveway is an eyesore. If so, don't look.

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  3. I lived in a area down south that you could only paint your house one of five colors. No laundry on line thursday-sunday 12;00
    PM as it might offend a tourist. Grass not over 6" and they had a enforcer that watched. What a bunch of nuts. It has since gotten worse. Had my new TT on a commercial lot awating me to pick it up. Office had 145 complaints in one 1/2 days. It was a fishing area so boats in any shape were great. The place, a subdivison onGalveston Island. The owner want me to bring my old trailer and leave it there just to keep the local nuts stired up, wish now I had.
    TireTramp

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  4. I agree with the ordinance as long as all vehicles are included. We have an ordinance in Stuart, FL that only singles out motorhomes. In other words, you can have as many cars operable or inoperable, as many boats in your front yard as you can fit. Just not any kind of "camping" vehicle. You can, how ever, put them behind a privacy fence in the back yard, which by the way, can still be viewed by the road, but only the top 2/3rds. But now there is a new ordinace on the table that even eliminates putting your "camping" vehicle in your privacy fenced back yard. Again, I stand behind my previous statement, it should be all or nothing...40' class A owner

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  5. If cities want to ban keeping personal property on personal property, they should also provide secure storage for those residents affected by the ban free of charge.

    I see this as a rights/responsibility issue. While recreational vehicle owners have a responsibility in keeping their neighbourhoods presentable, the city has a responsibility to it's residents to provide acceptable alternatives for restrictions placed on private property!

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  6. another case case of freedom lost,queitly,effecting only a few at a time,"it will end not with a bang, but with a wimper" T.s. Elliot

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  7. From what was shown, I don't think it is a bad idea... I now have to store my RV off my property. The storage fee is nominal and the RV is much safer behind a locked fence and at least looked at every day.

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  8. I am an rv owner and I agree 100% with the restrictions. Your "toys" should in the rear or side yard behind a fence or gate along with your garbage pails. It's called "pride of ownership" in the housing industry.

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  9. we have similar laws in Hamden Ct-anything longer than 19 feet is not allowed in front. By courtesy they don't inforce this unless a neighbor complains. But if that happens, you have 24 hours to move it. We rent a spot for it in the next town. As for the rest of the eyesores, I'd prefer not to live where I could see them either

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  10. I personally do not like people telling me what I can do with my property which inevitably takes from the value of it, however, I do understand these laws and their effort to preserve property values. As long as they don't outright ban them from my property and just require a decent looking screen around them, I have no problem with it.

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  11. The video makes a good point about how messy a yard could look with such things in it. I don't like the idea of having to put my MH in a storage lot though.
    When I bought mine I made a place that was neat and out of the way next to my garage. The yard looks less cluttered that way. If the item is in a place that is neat and out of the way I don't see an issue.
    To give the city more power to rule over such things makes me nervous. What would be next? I can't park my car in my driveway overnight without a garage?

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  12. I TOTALLY disagree with these new and quite common ordinances. These regulations started with condos &"gated communities" and that's where they should stay. If you are that particular about what your neighborhood looks like, buy property in one of these places. I can agree with an ordinance that limits the amount of vehicles visable, but otherwise believe that it is your property and you should have the right to store all of your "toys" on-sight. Storage is one more expense that will make it difficult for some people to enjoy their favorite hobby. Camping, boating, hot-rods, etc. Too much over-regulation! Are they going to tell me next, that the color of my car clashes with my house? Every generation,this society gets more & more uptight. People are becomming perfect little robots in perfect little communities. Enough already!

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  13. I agree with the city. Appears that the parking of RV's Trailer's, inoperable Vechicles and piling trash around the homes is out of control. They are being fair about this problem.

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  14. This is really a dilema posing a tough decision in a lot of cities. Burbank, CA is one of those cities and I understand TO A DEGREE. If the cities are going to ban rv parking, they should serve up some of their land for use by the residents for a very minimal fee. It seems to me these advocates have a conflict of interest.... don't let them park on THEIR property or the streets so they HAVE TO PAY to park on mine!

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  15. This is really a dilema which requires a tough decision. As an RVer and as one who dislikes the mess of cars and junk in neighbors' yards and drives, I can understand both sides. But, I have a hard time thinking the gov't can tell me what to do on my own property. It seems to me that the powers that be have a conflict of interest or are in cahoots with someone, somewhere, because they make the laws so that we can't park on our own property so that we HAVE TO PAY BIG $$ to park on THEIRS! If a city bans RV parking, it should have to divy up some of their land for inexpensive parking for the RESIDENTS, such as Sun City, AZ does.

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  16. I agree those yards really looked bad....Wouldn't want to live next door...With this being said I do think if a RV can be parked in a driveway or side yard it should be OK....It's all the extra junk that makes the neighbor hood look bad. Junk cars are a big NO,NO

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  17. I own a 2005 30' travel trailer. I don't mind having to park it at a storage facility for the majority of the time I don't use it. The problem that I have is that our ordinance states you can only park it for 36 hours in your driveway on a floating 7 day peroid. Try packing for a month long trip in 36 hours while you finish working before your vacation starts. Also don't try to do any maintaince, then the neighbors complain that you are "working" on it in the neighborhood, not at a repair facility. This in includes doing the winterizing.

    It would be nice if we could all live together without having so many rigid rules.

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  18. Some of the pictures are really bad. But we are seeing only the specific items. What does the est of the targeted area look like? Perhaps there are some homes that are as bad disrepair as the items that were photographed. Does the city have enforcement on those? Couple of the pitures look like duplicates.

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  19. We live in a 50+ community with several hundred RV's. The HOA wisely allows RV's to park up to three days/two nights in the street, once each week. The RV can be used for loading or sleeping during that time. The community also provides RV storage spaces with dump facilities at the back of the community. A workable solution that seems to not offend anyone.
    Morris

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  20. Iagree that RVs and other toys, like boats, etc., should be parked behind the rear edge of the house. I don't think they should have to be "unseen from the street" if they are parked further back than the back corner of the house.

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  21. I would have to agree with the individual who said that the ban should be based on aesthetics rather than a general ban. I can see the fact that some people have different considerations on what they view to be appeasing, but for the most part I think most people could agree. I would have no problem if my neighbor bought a Prevost/Marathon and parked it in his driveway, in fact he would probably have more of a problem with me constantly staring at it. Personally I don't want to be looking at something that is falling apart on the street or an individual's driveway.

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  22. retiredsmo@aol.comApril 14, 2007 at 11:49 AM

    Doesn't do much good to complain to this blog, why not write to the city farthers and tell them what you think. DA

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  23. I think there should be some regulations only because some people, as evidenced by the pictures, don't care how their property looks and what it does to the value of everyones property. I don't mind boats, rv etc. behind a privacy fence. We have a Class A motorhome, live on 3 acres and have the pad lined with large evergreens so our neighbors don't have to look at the MH.

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  24. If i'm going through anytown with a law like that, I will drive through it with-out stoping. They don't need my business

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  25. I've lived in neighborhoods that permit anything anytime anywhere and I now live in a neighborhood that permits nothing, nowhere, at no time. My 38' 5th wheel is stored in a local storage lot when not in use, and my vote is that that is where it belongs, not in the neighborhood---even though I would prefer to have it at home.

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  26. I'm really glad that we don't own a home/property and don't have to deal with the mess. We travel 365.

    If an item doesn't run, it should be removed, otherwise, if it fits, it should be allowed.

    There are 2 different places in Florida where 2 of our friends live that we can't drive into their subdivision because we drive a pick up truck.

    The person that asked if next they would be told their vehicle clashed with the color of their house is probably predicting the future.

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  27. Wait a minute ,here we are supposed to live in a free society yet most of the comments about this issue of parking thinks it is ok to ban rv's cars and other "toys "in thier nieghborhoods ,sounds more like economic profiling to me only the well off can afford the perfect rv and the storage space rent for them as well .where i live it runs about three dollars a foot add to that increased insurance rates since the rv will be unattended when not being used ,monthly payments the cost of rv'ing can only be afforded by the affluent or retired as familys will be singled out ,for those using words like slobs ,eyesore ,etc are really saying you do not have the right to be an individual so i am going to look down on you .try looking thru gods eyes before you pass judgement ,i say if you want to live where you are not looking at something in your nieghbors yard that does not fit your taste or offends your eyes .move start a community for those that think like you and stop trying to take away the rights of alll for one day when all your rights are gone you will only have your selves to blame .common sense is being killed off slowly and only a few of us can hear it's pain !!!

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  28. This country is amazing. Who would want to live anywhere else?
    Having said that, we are a diverse people. Not everyone can afford the big shiny RV. People who RV together are spending quality time as a family. Just because the unit they own is not top of the line doesn't mean that they should be penalized for wanting to enjoy RVing. LOOK at the houses and neighborhoods they are parked in. There is no Fleetwood with slides there. If you are paying the taxes and you live there, it is YOUR property. We all live at our own level of poverty, don'w we?
    I would NEVER want to live in a gated snobby,can't fly a flag or paint your house unless it conforms, community.
    CONFORMS! I am an indivual. not a cookie cut out to be just like everyone else THANK GOD!
    I guess the more money you have the bigger and more exclusive you become. So maybe you NEED to have more rules to feel like you made it.
    Personally, I feel like I made it when I didn't need to conform any longer.
    When I sold my old C class to a woman with kids that would spend years making memories, it felt wonderful. Now our big A class with slides is wonderful. But the memories we made in the old C class were some of the best of our lives. I know how much we loved it and was happy to pass it on.

    LIGHTEN UP! Barbara.

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  29. I lived in a Sub-Division in Missouri City, TX with the same rules. We built a 6 1/2 high fence and parked it back there but you had those in the neighborhood that complained each and every time we pulled it out to wash it even though we kept and improved are property yearly. Well, we sold the house and didn't care what type of people moved in on them. IT IS A SHAME THAT YOU BUY PROPERTY AND SOMEONE ELSE HAS THE RIGHT TO COME IN AND TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH IT!!!! There should be a law against that!!!! Now I move my home whenever I want!

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  30. In my city as long as the RV/Reccreational vehicle is behind the front of the home on a hard surface you can park it. But the slobs that let their property go like that, would you want to live next door to them?

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  31. Regulation is the wrong place for these requirements. They belong in property restrictions that are part of the property deed. When subdivisions are formed, the initial owners can sell the property with deed restrictions that remain permanently. If one does not want the restriction, don't buy the property. Zoning restrictions imposed after the fact are like the new regulations. They are unfair to the current owner.

    I do agree that the neighborhood looks nicer with the trash cans behind the fence and the junk cars removed, though. But, this is not a health and safety issue.

    How about a tax on junk cars and trash cans? That would get things removed!

    John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee

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  32. Agree that the "bigger picture" is the progressive erosion of private property rights. We have a house painted lime-green in our neighborhood. The owners like it. I think it is hideous. But, they have the right to do it and I think that that "right" is more important to preserve than calming my assaulted sensibilities by passing more restrictive governmental regulations.

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  33. I agree that slobs like in the picture should have to remove the items
    But I DO NOT agree with some cities
    that want to ticket an RV'er when -parked in front of their home, charging their batteries and up loading for a trip.
    Slobs have cost otheir people a chance to park over night at some WAL_MARTS,

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  34. While I can agree with the issues of property value and eyesores etc, these laws make it difficult for the owner of the RV to provide any sort of upkeep for thier units, forcing them not only to store their vehicle at a yard but if they are lucky, work on them if they need maintainance too! Many storage places do not allow you to do any work on your RV because of insurance issues. Same with many RV Parks.

    We all know that RV's are a little like boats, in that they constantly need maintainance and upkeep. If you cant work on it in your own driveway or where you store it, or where you camp it..... we are all FORCED to take it to a dealer, and we know how hard they work to make us happy don't we.

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  35. Our Southwind is a registered motor vehicle, we pay taxes to buy it, taxes to drive it, license it, pay to park it when traveling, we like to keep it in our driveway to save a lot of money on storage. We use it several times a week as a vehicle to go to the store or on weekends to go to the harbor or on outings with our grandson. We both drive and would need a third vehicle if the RV was not at the house for use.We feel that we can keep it better mainained than if we had to keep it in storage. No one in our neighborhood has ever complained.

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  36. I am a fan of RV's but must say I do not want this kind of neighborhood.
    If aesthetics could be enforced, it would be okay. However, since any type of aesthetics enforcement would be subjective, there would not be fair and equal enforcement. Thus, the only objective solution is a clear cut ordinance banning rv's boats etc from driveways and streets. If you can afford an rv, you should budget to pay for storage.

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  37. Fifteen years ago I lived in a town that did restrict rec. vehicles on the street. Did not have, and did not intend to get one.
    The feeling was, I think, that the large units, we had had a trailer living in the street across from us, were taking up parking places that were needed by others.
    The person had to make a concrete/cement/? pad next to their driveway to get it off the yard.
    This seemed like a good solution to me. It was neat and nice, and yet we had parking if we had company. I was neutral about the ordinance, and now that I have an RV(small class-C dolphin, probably it would be looked down on by those neighbors. But it sits at the back of the driveway under the trees, and doesn't hurt anyone. In fact we get 'high'fives' from some neighbors for having one. They even sometimes ask about how to get one, how much does it cost, etc., does it work, etc. It is about the only communication we have with the busy people in our neighborhood.

    We saw a community once, Scottsdale, AZ ? that was just terrible. All the houses were the same color, same models. How often do people go into the wrong house? How boring, conforming, lack of imagination, monotonous, dull, etc. etc. Looked like an upscale government housing project, like the 'projects' the lower-class people want to move out of.

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  38. the video seems to be one sided. I didn't see anything of rv'ers or boaters who do maintain their property and equipment. No I wouldn't like to be next door to a slop. Are they going to add where you can place your Garbage cans also. If your not going to maintain you should be summonsed

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  39. Typical small town elected "officials" who let a little power go to their head. If it is my property and not a swafety hazard go get a life.

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  40. Two suggestions:
    1. Issue blinders to all who drive where these "eyesores" are parked,so they could avoid seeing what must not be seen, or,

    2. Remember the old 'false front' stores in old western towns? How about false fronts erected in front of RV's, etc, with soothing scenery painted on them to hide what must not be seen? Everybody could be happy!

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  41. "Ordinances should be aimed at asthetics..."?! - you mean attributes of appearance like color of skin? You mean like banning fat people from the public beach and prohibiting kids with crooked teeth from smiling at school? Who decides what asthetics are legal? New Nazis? My RV is old and may not be "pretty," but it's legal, it's my home, it runs well and is safe. If someone buys property with an HOA, that's thier choice, but not mine. Please let us know where these Anti-American cities are so we may avoid them.

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  42. People make choices. I live in a community with restrictions. My choice. If a person wishes their neighborhood to be "pleasing to the eye", there have to be rules and they be enforced. Who wants a 45 ft long RV parked across the street? Maybe next week it would be a tractor-trailer with double trailers. The pictures "speak for themselves". I keep my RV in a storage facility and only have it home the day before and day of return from a trip. My neighbors deserve a nice looking neighborhood and we all should be more considerate of one-another.

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  43. I think if the rv or boat is well kept you can park it on your driveway.We, the ones that keep up our stuff in good shape pay the prize for the SLOBS that park their pieces of junk on their driveways for everyone to see their well mantained posesions.Those are the ones that shouldn't be allowed to park on their driveways. Take it and park it at a Junk Yard suitable for what is worth.

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  44. i can see that coming to our little town, DeSoto Ks (pop 4000). The city fathers have had some motor home owners tear down their carports (motorhome-ports) cause they were too big. i don't know about all this....

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  45. Our town of Independence Mo. doesn't like RVs parked closer to the street than the front of the house. We found a solution that has saved us money and saved our RV. When ever we are home we store our RV in a commercial cave. There are several commercial caves around the Kansas City Mo area.
    An RV parked outside in this part of the country gets a lot of abuse from the Weather. The Sun bakes and fades everything, including paint. Storms cause hail dents and break roof vents. Winters allow water in cracks and freezes. This opens cracks wider everytime it freezes causing water damage. Not to mention frozen water lines. Our RV parked in a cave comes out clean if we puy it away clean. We never have to winterize, caves stay about 56-58 degrees. Our current RV is 4 years old and looks like New. Caves are great!!

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  46. For several years I kept my rv in storage during the winter months. It was broken into and after a loss of almost $8K I decided to keep it at my house. It cost $4500 to have a pad made, and now I have access 365 days a year. Based on what some of these people think I wouldn't be able to have it there because it sticks pass the front of my garage that it's parked next to.

    I find it harder and harder to accept the things that are being forced down our throats. Don't like the color red, get your counsel to pass a local ordinance against the color red. Where have the rights of the people of this country gone? I pay my taxes, I work every day, I don't break the law, yet I'm forced to wear blue because the guy next door doesn't like red...Junk is junk, if it's a question of unsightly items on a property, address that issue and don't make it about recreational vehicles. I for one would refuse to move my rv from my house, and would fight for the right to have it there. We had better take a stand against this erosion of our fundamental rights.

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  47. For several years I kept my rv in storage during the winter months. It was broken into and after a loss of almost $8K I decided to keep it at my house. It cost $4500 to have a pad made, and now I have access 365 days a year. Based on what some of these people think I wouldn't be able to have it there because it sticks pass the front of my garage that it's parked next to.

    I find it harder and harder to accept the things that are being forced down our throats. Don't like the color red, get your counsel to pass a local ordinance against the color red. Where has the rights of the people of this counrty gone? I pay my taxes, I work every day, I don't break the law, yet I'm forced to wear blue because the guy next door doesn't like red...Junk is junk, if it's a question of unsightly items on a property, address that issue and don't make it about recreational vehicles. I for one would refuse to move my rv from my house, and would fight for the right to have it there. We had better take a stand against this erosion of our fundamental rights.

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  48. I find that if RVs and boats are clean, and not parked in the street should be ok. It cost me $31/2 afoot to store my rv and not near my home. The pics shown show long heavy weeds. It shows these people don't care about the looks of the property. I did not see any new RVs pictured. The enjoyment of owning your own home is to be able to use it for your convienence and enjoyment. But keeping it neat and clean and off the street is the big problem.

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  49. Hello from San Diego.
    We have a 72 hour law that is randomly inforced. The only law inforced is the Curb your Wheels(Gets the City a $41 Fine).

    I like the idea of putting your RV along side the home and have a fence 0r gate in front of it. You can make a very nice screen with a 6Ft high Chain Link gate with flowered vines growing on it. It can be open when needed and yet hides your RV/Yard from view.

    Our biggest problem which the city council will not fix is the large(Last estimate was over 150)number of people living in RV's around our bays. They take up all the prome handicapped spots and scenic places day and then move up and sleep in front of our home during the night. I can come home after 9pm and not be able to park in front of my home.

    I think the video shows a lot of people do not have the old pride of ownership in thier home and that the Antioc type of law is really required.

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  50. I think that anyone who makes or even agrees with these laws should not be allowed to live in a free country! They are communists of the worst kind, and I would as soon shoot them as listen to their Bolshevik bullshit! If you don't like my "junk," then move out of my way.

    Bruce

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  51. If you're complaining about the cost of boat storage or RV storage, then you can't afford your toy anyway. These costs are part of the total cost of ownership.

    I don't want to look out my front window and see your POS boat or RV in your driveway everyday. I especially don't want your toys in plain sight when I'm trying to move out of the neighborhood.

    Boats belong in the water...not in your driveway. Get them out of the neighborhoods. PERIOD.

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  52. If you can't afford to store your "toys" off the property, why buy in the first place? Most storage places are not that expensive really. If you want to live like a barbarian, move to the country.

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